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		<title>By: eprosenx</title>
		<link>http://www.bitplumber.net/2009/03/how-to-configure-jumbo-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-38693</link>
		<dc:creator>eprosenx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my memory serves me correctly, on the 3750 platforms you must set a global setting in order to enable jumbo frames, and then reboot the switch.  It will allow jumbo frames on all VLAN&#039;s (which does not hurt the VLAN&#039;s you are just running 1500 byte frames on).

I forget what the setting is off the top of my head.

Good luck!

Here is a show command off a blade enclosure chassis that is similar in design to the 3750&#039;s:

&lt;code&gt;DVA01-SW1#show system mtu 

System MTU size is 1500 bytes
System Jumbo MTU size is 9000 bytes
System Alternate MTU size is 1500 bytes
Routing MTU size is 1500 bytes
DVA01-SW1#
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You can see I am capable of 9000 byte MTU&#039;s.

-Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my memory serves me correctly, on the 3750 platforms you must set a global setting in order to enable jumbo frames, and then reboot the switch.  It will allow jumbo frames on all VLAN&#8217;s (which does not hurt the VLAN&#8217;s you are just running 1500 byte frames on).</p>
<p>I forget what the setting is off the top of my head.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>Here is a show command off a blade enclosure chassis that is similar in design to the 3750&#8242;s:</p>
<p><code>DVA01-SW1#show system mtu </p>
<p>System MTU size is 1500 bytes<br />
System Jumbo MTU size is 9000 bytes<br />
System Alternate MTU size is 1500 bytes<br />
Routing MTU size is 1500 bytes<br />
DVA01-SW1#<br />
</code></p>
<p>You can see I am capable of 9000 byte MTU&#8217;s.</p>
<p>-Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Chandresh</title>
		<link>http://www.bitplumber.net/2009/03/how-to-configure-jumbo-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-38692</link>
		<dc:creator>Chandresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi,

at our workplace we have just installed a second 3750g in a stack configuration and would like to investigate and test jumbo frames in a our server environment which consists of Windows, Linux, vCenter and our SAN running Storage Server 2003.
Our 3750g&#039;s are both running ip ip services image version 12.2 (55) SE4
We have a vlan 50 and have tried the mtu 9000 and it is not being accepted, we suspect this doesnt work as jumbo frames cannot be enabled on a per vlan basis? 

any help much appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi,</p>
<p>at our workplace we have just installed a second 3750g in a stack configuration and would like to investigate and test jumbo frames in a our server environment which consists of Windows, Linux, vCenter and our SAN running Storage Server 2003.<br />
Our 3750g&#8217;s are both running ip ip services image version 12.2 (55) SE4<br />
We have a vlan 50 and have tried the mtu 9000 and it is not being accepted, we suspect this doesnt work as jumbo frames cannot be enabled on a per vlan basis? </p>
<p>any help much appreciated!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.bitplumber.net/2009/03/how-to-configure-jumbo-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-24823</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a way to force the DF bit on Solaris - use traceroute (with the -F flag) instead of ping:

traceroute -F target pktsize

I only just found this out myself...

Cheers

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a way to force the DF bit on Solaris &#8211; use traceroute (with the -F flag) instead of ping:</p>
<p>traceroute -F target pktsize</p>
<p>I only just found this out myself&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Ola Andreas</title>
		<link>http://www.bitplumber.net/2009/03/how-to-configure-jumbo-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-16834</link>
		<dc:creator>Ola Andreas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!

I strongly advice You to use the max setting for the switch when setting the jumboframe size.. often that is 9216. that way You can be sure that jumboframes from servers and simmilar do not get blocked/rejected.. gives a huge perf.drop.
example try running 9000 size on the switch,, run jumboframes and iscsi from vmware and the jumbofremse from the servers will be ca 9007-9008size,, these will then not get trough the switch....   sometimes setting a switch to frame size 9000 actually is 9000and something, and all is well.
sometimes on another switch 9000 will be 9000 exact, and You will have pain...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!</p>
<p>I strongly advice You to use the max setting for the switch when setting the jumboframe size.. often that is 9216. that way You can be sure that jumboframes from servers and simmilar do not get blocked/rejected.. gives a huge perf.drop.<br />
example try running 9000 size on the switch,, run jumboframes and iscsi from vmware and the jumbofremse from the servers will be ca 9007-9008size,, these will then not get trough the switch&#8230;.   sometimes setting a switch to frame size 9000 actually is 9000and something, and all is well.<br />
sometimes on another switch 9000 will be 9000 exact, and You will have pain&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: eprosenx</title>
		<link>http://www.bitplumber.net/2009/03/how-to-configure-jumbo-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-13295</link>
		<dc:creator>eprosenx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you should be able to create another VLAN for the Solaris 9 hosts and route between them no problem.  It will just not be 9000 byte MTU&#039;s (only 1500 will be supported).  You will probably need to set the layer 3 routing interface of the 3750 to be 9000 byte MTU in the Jumbo frame VLAN.  Also, if your using TCP as a protocol it will auto-negotiate to 1500 byte MTU (through the MSS - Maximum Segment Size parameter).  UDP applications (like NFS) that are configured to use jumbo frames could pose an issue forcing the 3750 to try to fragment them as they are routed between the two subnets.

Note though with multi-homed servers in a bunch of VLAN&#039;s traffic might not go in/out the interface you are planning on.  If you have the Solaris 9 host in some primary subnet, plus also in this special 1500 byte backup VLAN and you are targeting your backup server in the 9000 byte backup VLAN, the Solaris 9 host will send traffic out whichever interface has the default gateway assigned to it (i.e. the primary interface) rather than the intended backup interface, for any traffic that is not destined for a directly connected subnet.  Adding some custom route into the routing table can perhaps help you fix this.

Also, I should point out to you that bonding 4x 1 gig interfaces to the backup server may not work out as intended as generally the hashing algorithms in use on either end of the bonded links will only allow a single flow to transit one of the four links (so the four interfaces do no good unless you have a bunch of different packet flows simultaneously and even then it is random which interface they hash to and not based on load).

Good luck!

-Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you should be able to create another VLAN for the Solaris 9 hosts and route between them no problem.  It will just not be 9000 byte MTU&#8217;s (only 1500 will be supported).  You will probably need to set the layer 3 routing interface of the 3750 to be 9000 byte MTU in the Jumbo frame VLAN.  Also, if your using TCP as a protocol it will auto-negotiate to 1500 byte MTU (through the MSS &#8211; Maximum Segment Size parameter).  UDP applications (like NFS) that are configured to use jumbo frames could pose an issue forcing the 3750 to try to fragment them as they are routed between the two subnets.</p>
<p>Note though with multi-homed servers in a bunch of VLAN&#8217;s traffic might not go in/out the interface you are planning on.  If you have the Solaris 9 host in some primary subnet, plus also in this special 1500 byte backup VLAN and you are targeting your backup server in the 9000 byte backup VLAN, the Solaris 9 host will send traffic out whichever interface has the default gateway assigned to it (i.e. the primary interface) rather than the intended backup interface, for any traffic that is not destined for a directly connected subnet.  Adding some custom route into the routing table can perhaps help you fix this.</p>
<p>Also, I should point out to you that bonding 4x 1 gig interfaces to the backup server may not work out as intended as generally the hashing algorithms in use on either end of the bonded links will only allow a single flow to transit one of the four links (so the four interfaces do no good unless you have a bunch of different packet flows simultaneously and even then it is random which interface they hash to and not based on load).</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>-Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Sycane</title>
		<link>http://www.bitplumber.net/2009/03/how-to-configure-jumbo-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-13284</link>
		<dc:creator>Sycane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. I&#039;m currently putting together a Backup network for a mix of Solaris and Windows and came across your page while searching for Jumbo Frames and Cisco.

I have a backup server with an aggregated link (4x 1Gb) to a Backup VLAN on the Cisco 3750. The Windows hosts will support MTU 9000 as will the Solaris 10 kit, without wanting to make physical changes to the Solaris 9 servers I still need access to the Backup VLAN to perform backup/restore operations. Can I create another VLAN on the 3750 and allow routing between the two VLANs to achieve this? I suspect not.. so how could this be architected?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. I&#8217;m currently putting together a Backup network for a mix of Solaris and Windows and came across your page while searching for Jumbo Frames and Cisco.</p>
<p>I have a backup server with an aggregated link (4x 1Gb) to a Backup VLAN on the Cisco 3750. The Windows hosts will support MTU 9000 as will the Solaris 10 kit, without wanting to make physical changes to the Solaris 9 servers I still need access to the Backup VLAN to perform backup/restore operations. Can I create another VLAN on the 3750 and allow routing between the two VLANs to achieve this? I suspect not.. so how could this be architected?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Bane</title>
		<link>http://www.bitplumber.net/2009/03/how-to-configure-jumbo-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-13035</link>
		<dc:creator>Bane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1867&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@John&lt;/a&gt; 
Hi John,
I have same situation, 50% utilization on Gbit/s link. Did you solved this? I tried everything but without sucess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1867" rel="nofollow">@John</a><br />
Hi John,<br />
I have same situation, 50% utilization on Gbit/s link. Did you solved this? I tried everything but without sucess.</p>
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		<title>By: eprosenx</title>
		<link>http://www.bitplumber.net/2009/03/how-to-configure-jumbo-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-10438</link>
		<dc:creator>eprosenx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, there is no auto-negotiation whatsoever for frame sizes.  The 10/100 switch (router) will likely just drop any frame over 1500 bytes that came into it from the switch that supported jumbo frames.  :-(

You could create two separate networks (one jumbo frame enabled, and one not), but they would need separate IP subnets and then you may need routing between them depending on what you are trying to do.

-Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, there is no auto-negotiation whatsoever for frame sizes.  The 10/100 switch (router) will likely just drop any frame over 1500 bytes that came into it from the switch that supported jumbo frames.  <img src='http://www.bitplumber.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You could create two separate networks (one jumbo frame enabled, and one not), but they would need separate IP subnets and then you may need routing between them depending on what you are trying to do.</p>
<p>-Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Slee</title>
		<link>http://www.bitplumber.net/2009/03/how-to-configure-jumbo-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-10432</link>
		<dc:creator>Slee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I have all my 10/100 network devices connected to a 10/100 router and all my gigabit devices connected to a single, jumbo capable switch, then I should be OK with jumbo frames?

That is, will the router negotiate the frame size for the slower devices connected to it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I have all my 10/100 network devices connected to a 10/100 router and all my gigabit devices connected to a single, jumbo capable switch, then I should be OK with jumbo frames?</p>
<p>That is, will the router negotiate the frame size for the slower devices connected to it?</p>
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		<title>By: eprosenx</title>
		<link>http://www.bitplumber.net/2009/03/how-to-configure-jumbo-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-10359</link>
		<dc:creator>eprosenx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, all devices on the same subnet (network) that you will be using *MUST* have the same MTU setting or else connections will fail (potentially intermittently as small frames will make it through and larger ones will not).

Unless you have a really compelling reason to use jumbo frames in a situation like that, I would recommend sticking to 1500 byte mtu.  It is unclear to me exactly how much uplift the larger frame size provides with todays multi-core processors and TCP/IP offload engines in the network cards.  I feel they are best relegated to dedicated backup networks and storage (iSCSI) networks.

-Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, all devices on the same subnet (network) that you will be using *MUST* have the same MTU setting or else connections will fail (potentially intermittently as small frames will make it through and larger ones will not).</p>
<p>Unless you have a really compelling reason to use jumbo frames in a situation like that, I would recommend sticking to 1500 byte mtu.  It is unclear to me exactly how much uplift the larger frame size provides with todays multi-core processors and TCP/IP offload engines in the network cards.  I feel they are best relegated to dedicated backup networks and storage (iSCSI) networks.</p>
<p>-Eric</p>
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